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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:55:00 -
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I am all for these new industry changes, but taking something as important as this skill was and making it a joke (99% of time) is seriously flawed. I think this is definitely a case where a skill refund is required.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:30:00 -
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If you are not going to refund skill points you need to replace it with something to make training that last level (4 to 5) worth while. And so far I have not heard of one example change that would be worth while to take to 5, except maybe in absolute extreme cases.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:43:00 -
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For me, a time reduction is an insult compared to the old skill. If you only log in once or twice a day, that time saved is 100% wasted, and CCP knows that. And, some don't even log in that often.
Frankly I see nothing wrong with a small barrier to entry. EVE constantly gets mentioned in threads related to economy and crafting (industry) on various MMO related sites. So I'm sure they don't want those people to get discouraged. But if they make everyone basically equal (10% is not alot), and have zero barriers to entry, then the margins quickly go to zero. Everyone stops doing industry and leaves anyways.
I am all for change, and looking forward to seeing how the new system works out. But there are possible gotchas out there. Let not trivialize industry. Keep it a valid profession with some need to have skills.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.18 17:20:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:If we had to choose one solution, which are people favoring more - 3-5% all jobs time reduction, or additional skills with this skill at 5 as a prereq?
Well option 1 is getting close to something useful. But I have actually not dealt with the upcoming work flows, so I sure don't feel comfortable in saying yup that's the one. But with it being across all industy jobs, something has be of benefit? And these are 3-5% per level, correct?
And option 2 is rather vague to me. So with my wild imagination, I best leave it alone.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.19 20:58:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Mhari Dson wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote: *stuff*
The amount of stuff kicking around the thread is interesting but all 11th hour and likely not to be implemented before December or sometime later than that. This thread needed to be started right after Kronos not right before the skill goes live. AND you're going on vacation after the patch and leaving us hanging for how long?!?!!In american football we'd have backed up and punted already hoping for better field position next time. Just do the damn refund and next trip remember and utilize the fact you've got the smartest playerbase of any MMO. We had a separate plan for the skill relating to the bulk discount that didn't work out (ie we cut the discount a few weeks ago based on feedback and internal discussion), so we're looking around for alternatives. I fully support your right to be skeptical, but all I can do in the face of that is reiterate that we want to solve this as soon as possible, and we are looking to make changes next week to be shipped the week after. Furthermore, I'm taking my vacation "in August" because I pushed it back from July so that I'd be on hand for the pre- and post-release period, and I'm not expecting to lock in final dates until the release is in a good state on TQ and I'm comfortable that it's safe to leave it for a few weeks. This is the last discussion I'm expecting to hear regarding when I choose to take my summer vacation and I'd thank you all for understanding that a) I've already moved it about considerably and cancelled earlier plans to ensure that this patch goes off without a hitch, b) we've done this for many years and we have a very clear understanding internally about how to handle vacation time as it relates to game coverage and c) this is only being discussed because I'm trying to be as open as possible about what's going on, and if the consequence of that is that people are going to second-guess whether or not they think I'm allowed to have a vacation this year based on an extremely thin understanding of the facts involved I am going to choose to be less open in future 
I would not worry too much, I would say you are going above and beyond. Sounds like you moved your holidays just for this release. I may not 100% agree with all the decisions you (and CCP) are making. But you are engaging in constructive conversation. What more can one ask for.
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